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Consider two dice games:
Consider two dice games:


In the first game, you toss a single die N1 times. The question is, what should N1 be in order to make the probability of seeing at least one 6 greater than 1/2?
In the first game, you toss a single die <math>N_1</math> times. The question is, what should <math>N_1</math> be in order to make the probability of seeing at least one 6 greater than <math>\tfrac{1}{2}</math>?


(In gambling terms, what should N1 be to make an "even money" bet on seeing at least one 6 advantageous to the gambler instead of the house?)
(In gambling terms, what should <math>N_1</math> be to make an "even money" bet on seeing at least one 6 advantageous to the gambler instead of the house?)


In the second game, you toss a pair of dice N2 times. The question is, what should N2 be to make the probability of seeing at least one double 6 greater than 1/2?
In the second game, you toss a pair of dice <math>N_2</math> times. The question is, what should <math>N_2</math> be to make the probability of seeing at least one double 6 greater than <math>\tfrac{1}{2}</math>?




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Let
Let


P1 = probability of first seeing, with probability > 1/2, at least one 6 in N1 tosses of a fair die
<math>P_1</math> = probability of first seeing, with probability <math>> \tfrac{1}{2}</math>, at least one 6 in <math>N_1</math> tosses of a fair die


P2 = probability of first seeing, with probability > 1/2, at least one double 6 in N2 tosses of a fair die
<math>P_2</math> = probability of first seeing, with probability <math>> \tfrac{1}{2}</math>, at least one double 6 in <math>N_2</math> tosses of a fair die


Pascal observed that for P1, if a die is tossed N1 times, there are 6^N1 ways it can land, and 5^N1 ways it can land without showing a 6.
Pascal observed that for <math>P_1</math>, if a die is tossed <math>N_1</math> times, there are <math>6^{N_1}</math> ways it can land, and <math>5^{N_1}</math> ways it can land without showing a 6.
Since "no 6 in N1 tosses" is a complementary event to "at least one 6 in N1 tosses", they are mutually exclusive, and inclusive (the only possible outcomes).
Since "no 6 in <math>N_1</math> tosses" is a complementary event to "at least one 6 in <math>N_1</math> tosses", they are mutually exclusive, and inclusive (the only possible outcomes).


The probability of getting a single 6 on a single toss is 1/6, so probability of not getting a 6 is 5/6. The probability of not getting a 6 in N1 rolls is (5/6)^N1.
The probability of getting a single 6 on a single toss is <math>\tfrac{1}{6}</math>, so probability of not getting a 6 is <math>\tfrac{5}{6}</math>. The probability of not getting a 6 in <math>N_1</math> rolls is <math>\left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1}</math>.


Thus, the probability of not not getting a 6 in N1 rolls is 1 - (5/6)^N1, in other words,
Thus, the probability of not not getting a 6 in <math>N_1</math> rolls is <math>1 - \left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1}</math>, in other words,


P1 = 1 - (5/6)^N1
<math>P_1 = 1 - \left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1}</math>


via tabulation, N1 = 4
via tabulation, <math>N_1 = 4</math>


Similarly, we know the probability of throwing a double 6 on a single toss of two dice is 1/36, so the probability of not throwing a double six is 35/36. Similarly, the probability of not throwing a double six in N2 straight throws of a pair of dice is (35/36)^N2.
Similarly, we know the probability of throwing a double 6 on a single toss of two dice is <math>\tfrac{1}{36}</math>, so the probability of not throwing a double six is <math>\tfrac{35}{36}</math>. Similarly, the probability of not throwing a double six in <math>N_2</math> straight throws of a pair of dice is <math>\left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2}</math>.


Thus, the probability of not not throwing a double six in N2 straight throws of a pair of dice is 1 - (35/36)^N2, in other words,
Thus, the probability of not not throwing a double six in <math>N_2</math> straight throws of a pair of dice is <math>1 - \left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2}</math>, in other words,


P2 = 1 - (35/36)^N2
<math>P_2 = 1 - \left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2}</math>


via tabulation, N2 = 25 (which is one off from the 24 that Gombaud expected)
via tabulation, <math>N_2 = 25</math> (which is one off from the 24 that Gombaud expected)


Gombaud's mistake:
Gombaud's mistake:
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He believed in strict proportionality, so he believed
He believed in strict proportionality, so he believed


N1/6 = N2/36
<math>\dfrac{N_1}{6} = \dfrac{N_2}{36}</math>


since there are 6 ways for a die to fall in the first game, and 36 ways for a die to fall in the second game.
since there are 6 ways for a die to fall in the first game, and 36 ways for a die to fall in the second game.

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Friday Morning Math Problem

A Pair of Dice Games

Consider two dice games:

In the first game, you toss a single die $ N_1 $ times. The question is, what should $ N_1 $ be in order to make the probability of seeing at least one 6 greater than $ \tfrac{1}{2} $?

(In gambling terms, what should $ N_1 $ be to make an "even money" bet on seeing at least one 6 advantageous to the gambler instead of the house?)

In the second game, you toss a pair of dice $ N_2 $ times. The question is, what should $ N_2 $ be to make the probability of seeing at least one double 6 greater than $ \tfrac{1}{2} $?


Source: Will You Be Alive 10 Years From Now? by Paul Nahin

Original source: Antoine Gombaud and Blaise Pascal, correspondence, 1654

Solution
Let

$ P_1 $ = probability of first seeing, with probability $ > \tfrac{1}{2} $, at least one 6 in $ N_1 $ tosses of a fair die

$ P_2 $ = probability of first seeing, with probability $ > \tfrac{1}{2} $, at least one double 6 in $ N_2 $ tosses of a fair die

Pascal observed that for $ P_1 $, if a die is tossed $ N_1 $ times, there are $ 6^{N_1} $ ways it can land, and $ 5^{N_1} $ ways it can land without showing a 6. Since "no 6 in $ N_1 $ tosses" is a complementary event to "at least one 6 in $ N_1 $ tosses", they are mutually exclusive, and inclusive (the only possible outcomes).

The probability of getting a single 6 on a single toss is $ \tfrac{1}{6} $, so probability of not getting a 6 is $ \tfrac{5}{6} $. The probability of not getting a 6 in $ N_1 $ rolls is $ \left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1} $.

Thus, the probability of not not getting a 6 in $ N_1 $ rolls is $ 1 - \left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1} $, in other words,

$ P_1 = 1 - \left(\tfrac{5}{6}\right)^{N_1} $

via tabulation, $ N_1 = 4 $

Similarly, we know the probability of throwing a double 6 on a single toss of two dice is $ \tfrac{1}{36} $, so the probability of not throwing a double six is $ \tfrac{35}{36} $. Similarly, the probability of not throwing a double six in $ N_2 $ straight throws of a pair of dice is $ \left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2} $.

Thus, the probability of not not throwing a double six in $ N_2 $ straight throws of a pair of dice is $ 1 - \left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2} $, in other words,

$ P_2 = 1 - \left(\tfrac{35}{36}\right)^{N_2} $

via tabulation, $ N_2 = 25 $ (which is one off from the 24 that Gombaud expected)

Gombaud's mistake:

He believed in strict proportionality, so he believed

$ \dfrac{N_1}{6} = \dfrac{N_2}{36} $

since there are 6 ways for a die to fall in the first game, and 36 ways for a die to fall in the second game.

on very careful observation of a large number of games, Gombaud found that this proportionality did NOT hold.

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